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Post by Moongaze on Jul 7, 2007 4:20:36 GMT -5
The entire rant post of mine can be found on the "Latest News" message board. Here's the link to the post: moongazeaddons.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=latestnews&action=display&thread=1183799491Anyway, to sum it up: Someone decided to take my sphere code from Stage 2-ish and convert what I had to Ace2. That's cool, their addon takes up 2-3 times more space than mine does (probably all the Ace dependancies) and they pretty much slapped their name on a broken, slightly functional sphere. The Ace forums are down right now, so I can't post the love I have for this guy, but I'll be sure to do it tomorrow. Oh well, I'm still happy to know that I did this first, and no matter how much they copy, it will never be the same as LunarSphere. If they were smart, they would have waited for me to finish what I was working on and then convert it. Actually, if they were smart, they would have CONSULTED me about this decision of theirs. At least with all the other sphere addons, people actually gave credit to the original author of which the work was based on. This person, however, is a rude, selfish ... oh my god, I'm so pissed I can't see straight. I'm glad I'm on vacation ... *rant over, again* I guess this is how Apple must have felt when Microsoft came out with Windows ... ;D
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Post by lothaer on Jul 7, 2007 5:04:48 GMT -5
im gonna go over there and blast the fuck out of him.... /rant on
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Post by Moongaze on Jul 7, 2007 5:19:01 GMT -5
I'm cooling down now. Not nearly as mad as I was earlier, but geez ... what a buzz kill. *sigh* At least they won't be able to add all the stuff I've added so far
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Elesarr
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Post by Elesarr on Jul 7, 2007 6:45:22 GMT -5
hehe...we have your back Moon...the fool will pay and never be taken seriously again if I have my way.
Ele
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Post by sukrim on Jul 7, 2007 7:03:49 GMT -5
Well, ace-forums are down, but I hope this addon gets deleted soon. Please create an account @ www.wowace.com/forums/index.php (when it's up again) and explain that this is your mod and that it isn't fair to simply steal code without asking/permission.
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Elesarr
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Post by Elesarr on Jul 7, 2007 7:19:49 GMT -5
Additionally, Moon:
You have the entire project documented here on the forums from its inception. It should not be difficult to get it removed from Ace2 Downloads as it can easily be proven the code and your original artwork was stolen, and the mod poorly modified by Somnolent.
I will be doing what I can for you once the forums are back up.
Ele
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Elesarr
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Post by Elesarr on Jul 7, 2007 8:11:43 GMT -5
on a somewhat positive note: it seems the download is only at Ace2 and has not hit the other mod sites as of this post.
Ele
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Post by Laureleï on Jul 7, 2007 8:39:01 GMT -5
What a moron. This makes me understand how a peacefull nature like me can go berserk. If it was me, I think I would be looking for where he lives to go explain to this little half brained piece of sh**. Damn, I'm pretty sure I'm not pissed as you Moon, but thats a close one I guess
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Elesarr
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Post by Elesarr on Jul 7, 2007 8:40:48 GMT -5
/cheer Laurelei
;D
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Post by wolftusk on Jul 7, 2007 8:47:04 GMT -5
I saw this addon on the wowace forums a week or so ago. I innocently thought that someone else was extending what was left of henge and actually making it work. So i continued using LunarSphere and did not really think much about that addon and did not think it was worth mentioning a "competitor" on these forums. I did not realize that they had outright stolen your code.
Obviously, he is not a programmer. For the most part, real programmers have enough decency to give credit to where it's due. It's the golden rule, we do not want someone to take credit for our work, so we do not take credit for theirs.
I am very much hoping that this gets worked out and somehow credit is directed back to you or the mod is removed.
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Post by kyouraku on Jul 7, 2007 10:08:19 GMT -5
Talk to the moderators of the Ace forums and detail what has happened. I'm sure they will take down the project until this gets sorted out. Sorry to hear this occurred! Looking forward to more updates of the /real/ LunarSphere!
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Elesarr
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Post by Elesarr on Jul 7, 2007 11:26:26 GMT -5
I sent them a message and will be contacting the Administrator's next: I am appalled and shocked at the WoWAce community. The source code for this mod was stolen from the Author Moongaze and posted here at the WoWAce Forums as the property and original design of one Somnolent. The entire LunarSphere project can be found here with all its documentation from inception including the original artwork designed and developed by Moongaze. It is one thing to borrow someone's code to make something better or different than the original author giving the author credit and asking if its ok to do so before hand. It is another thing to take someone's code, call it your own and post it as an original piece of work. Somnolent neither contacted Moongaze via the forums nor asked for permission in email to take the code and modify nor did Somolent give any credit to Moongaze for the original Code. I am a Senior Beta Tester for LunarSphere. I have been working with that mod since the end of Stage 1. It is currently in Stage 4 with 4 more stages planned before a public release, though many people are using and testing it now from Moongaze's LunarSPhere Forum. I challenge the WoWAce Community to recognize this as stolen work, and the Administrator's of WowAce to remove the download of this mod and give proper credit where credit is due. Somnolent also owes Moongaze an apology for stealing the work Moongaze has been working hard on for many many months. I fear no flames from anyone here as the entire LunarSphere project is documented at MoongazeAddons. You need only take the courage to follow the link I have posted read for yourself, and see. Moongaze and I will both be contacting the Administrator's of this forum and the downloads to have the stolen mod removed. You have done a disservice to the mod community on a whole Somnolent by stealing someone else's work and calling it your own. Sincerely, Elessar Senior Beta Tester - LunarSphere Guild Master of Arcane Dawn Realm: Khadgar Ele
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Post by Elesarr on Jul 7, 2007 11:36:49 GMT -5
I have to laugh at what I said. After posting my message at the WoWAce Forums I noticed I had misspelled something and went to go change it. When I attempted to access the WoWAce Forums I got the 404 error as the forums seem to have gone down again...lol....SMITED indeed.....roflmao! ;D Ele
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Post by larania on Jul 7, 2007 11:46:42 GMT -5
Ok that makes me pretty mad...
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Post by larania on Jul 7, 2007 11:47:29 GMT -5
I wanted to type more that first post but hit the wrong button to fast That sort of thing is just plain wrong and the guys at WoWAce better take it down!!
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Post by larania on Jul 7, 2007 12:00:59 GMT -5
Now that I have had a chance to see the other guys "Original" mod... What an ass... Someone needs to make sure he doesn't do stuff like that to other people... It's just wrong...
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Post by Moongaze on Jul 7, 2007 13:30:19 GMT -5
I had to edit out the line of code for Deformant on line 141 of the buttons.lua file, as well as install babble spell, and turn on every ACE addon I owned to try to give it all the "optional" (which actually means REQUIRED I guess) dependancies in order to make it work.
The sphere is pretty much mine. Most of the button code is mine as well, but instead of making the button as a normal button, they linked it to an action button (so they can pick up the spell/item/macro from the button, just like an action bar button). Of course, I chose not to do that because of all the internal code I got going on, and some saved button settings.
It's funny too. They have the "hide button" code in sphere.lua code. It is never used in their addon, but it has the original hiding code. It would try to hide exactly 110 buttons, which is dumb because their version doesn't have menu button support (I guess they couldn't figure out how to convert that to Ace, haha), so they only HAVE 10 buttons.
*sigh*
I like how they released it around the time I went on vacation. Also, I like how they used the Stage 2 code (before it was fully finished Stage 2 code). I can only assume they thought I was done (rofl, what?) and wasn't going to add more, so they converted it to Ace and started to add new features (I think?). Also, since they were using old code and just released it, I think it's safe to say that it took them a month to convert my addon.
*goes to check if the ace forums are back up*
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Post by Jonsnow on Jul 7, 2007 14:07:50 GMT -5
They are up.
I really don't know if it a "they" people or if it is a "one" guy who have done that. From what I saw before, wowace community is quite "clean" with other peoples works.
In fact there have been one stolen code done from ct_mail and the addon have been suppressed from files.wowace.com
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Post by Elesarr on Jul 7, 2007 14:22:51 GMT -5
Yes WoWAce community is a good group of people and I feel the Administrators will do the right thing. The persons who took the code were Somnolent and Benumbed: it is unclear if they are the same person or two different people. Benumbed responded to my post and I responded to him. For my part I have done what I said I would do: make it clear to the WoWAce Community and inform the Administrators. I did this with respect, examples and linkage to our forums here. I will not pursue a forum war as I feel that is beneath us on a whole as a community here. My posts and Benumbed's post are here: www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=7010.80Ele
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Post by AvaCam on Jul 7, 2007 14:43:29 GMT -5
One of the Ace admins replied that he couldn't immediately see copied code and has asked to be contacted with some specifics to help solidify things.
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