remind
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Post by remind on Jun 15, 2007 5:38:46 GMT -5
First, let me congratulate you for your job Moon, this is a really great addon, and very generic. I'm an Arcanum user (being a mage for years now) and that's why I discovered LunarSphere searching a replacement to this dead addon. I achieved to replace almost all the functionalities that was gaving this addon except a few: In Arcanum, there is a nice functionality that allow to open a menu on a button where there are many similar actions, and when the action is clicked, the button menu is replaced by the action and you don't have to reopen menu and select again the action. Do you Understand ? Well let's take an example with a picture of Arcanum: Being a mage, I've got two Shields: Frost Shield, and Fire Shield. So in LunarSphere, I created a Button Menu, with two Button binded on the tow sorts. Well. The combat is beginning, I open my Shield Menu and click on the FIre Shield. When the cooldown has finished, I have to reopen menu, and reselect Fire Shield, whereas in Arcanum, I just have to click again on the menu to launch again the action. It would be great if we could open menu buttons with right click and once an action is selected, launch action selected with left click (it can also be a parameter in the configuration menu). Assuming that once an action is selected, the menu icon is the action icon. This functionnality is very useful in plenty of case, mount, portals, crafts, and so on. Would it be possible?
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Post by robshield on Jun 15, 2007 6:05:47 GMT -5
Well if that becomes implemented I would like it to be an option in the menu then because otherwise it can destroy a whole setup for some users such as me. When it comes to the shields you can just have Fire Ward be casted when left-clicking and Frost Ward when right-clicking so you don't need a menu at all when it comes to the wards and your setup on the picture you showed.
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Elesarr
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Post by Elesarr on Jun 15, 2007 6:09:12 GMT -5
@ remind and robshield Dynamic Click Support has already been suggested in another thread and from my understanding Moongaze will attempt to implement this and as with all the functions of LunarSphere it will be an option ;D find the discussion here: Feature Request: Dynamic Click SupportAs far as having to create individual buttons for each action robshield is correct by using the left/right/middle click function of each button you can get rid of a lot of menus, personally I have my teleports and portals setup on a menu with 5 buttons: left click is the teleport right click is the portal and with the tooltip its easy to remeber and not forget waht the settings are. Mount I have one button Left: Epic Land | Right: Flying Mount | Middle: Normal Land Mount (I have this in there cause as GM of my guild I don't like running off and leaving the other guild mates who are above 40 and don't have an epic land mount yet, so I ride my normal mount when I am with them ) Same with AI and AB I have a button with AI as the left click and AB as the right click. I think u see where I am going. Anyway, the point is that the Left/Middle/Right Click function adds so much depth to this mod. I can see where dynamic click support might be useful for some, but If I need to change what I did last in a dynamic menu then I still have to open it up and click on the new action - better to leave a menu with say totems open and click on the one you need as you need it imo since Shaman can drop 4 different totems at any given time its better to have all the totems visible or you are constantly opening and closing your totem menu because the left click dynamic support is setting it to the last one your dropped each time you do it - I do not see how that saves time or is efficient in any type of solo group or raid situation Same for the Frost and Fire wards much more efficient to have one button with Left Click Frost and Right CLick Fire for example, that way I can switch up when needed as many caster npcs now use both frost and fire spells. I can left click or right click as appropriate and never worry about what the left click has been set to and then realize I need the other ward so I have to open up the menu click on the new ward....see what I mean? And I am not saying my way is the "best way" what I am trying to do is get people to see that we are so used to the sphere mods that have been out there forever we ned to rethink how we do things with LunarSPhere bcause it is so robust and rich in features and functionality ;D Ele
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lordc
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Post by lordc on Jun 15, 2007 6:29:26 GMT -5
Example with fire/frost ward its really bad. Just imagine. Fire ward is used more often than frost one. So u will automatically click left left button for it. And than u go on BG and click left button. And bah Frost ward comes. You are like wtf? And than u realise than on last instance run you used frost ward coz boss was damaging with frostbolts. And in end Immolate eats you. Other type of menus that may need such type of functionality are not used very often(like demon summon) or require more complicated behavior(you dont really need your "teleport: orgrimmar" spell on left button just after using it).
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remind
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Post by remind on Jun 15, 2007 6:34:03 GMT -5
@elesar: this post is describing exactly what I'm requesting son i'm sorry for cross-posting. robshield: you're right if your menu jhas only two buttons. What else for portals (10 buttons)?
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remind
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Post by remind on Jun 15, 2007 6:55:41 GMT -5
@elesar: to precise a little bit, I've done like robshield concerning food and drink (right click to invoke, and left clik to consume), because it's the same icon. The two shields don't have the same icon so you will have the Fire shield icon to cast Frost Shield, it's not critical, but I prefer the arcanum system.
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Elesarr
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Post by Elesarr on Jun 15, 2007 7:02:15 GMT -5
um read my post and what I said about portals...and since I don't go to the same place everytime I teleport or portal a menu with 5 buttons with left and right click functionality is more efficient than dynamic click support.
People are so used to the limited spheres we have now.....try to re-see stuff and the possibilities the LS opens up instead of trying to do the same old tired things with a new and better sphere mod. NO OTHER mod offers Left/right/Middle click support the way LS does as far as I am aware.
Ele
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Elesarr
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Post by Elesarr on Jun 15, 2007 7:04:26 GMT -5
thats what the tool tip is for I sooo much prefer this system over the ones out there now an I have tried all of them and they are all limited and restrictive..LunarSphere is the best thing to come along in a REALLY long time ;D
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wolftusk
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Post by wolftusk on Jun 15, 2007 7:04:57 GMT -5
I think that there is a need for both scenarios, and certain citations, they will be used together. Things that will come into play is how often a particular spell/ability gets used, weather it will get used more in combat or out of combat, while solo/party/raid, etc.
It is also a matter of play style as well. Some people want to have the least amount of things open, others may want a certain predictability/consistency to their buttons to never change on them.
The important thing is that they will not be mutually exclusive.
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Elesarr
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Post by Elesarr on Jun 15, 2007 7:09:38 GMT -5
agreed wolf as I said before which I think was overlooked by many: Ele
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remind
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Post by remind on Jun 15, 2007 7:14:50 GMT -5
+1 wolftusk
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Elesarr
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Post by Elesarr on Jun 15, 2007 7:19:48 GMT -5
wow.... ty for acknowledging I was not telling you what to do or that your way of doing things was wrong remind have a great day..im out for now..tired of helping Ele
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Post by Moongaze on Jun 15, 2007 16:08:05 GMT -5
I personally think that there are too many different play styles and the way people approach the menu system will be different for everyone. Some people like opening the menu with left-clicks, others middle-clicks, some people right-clicks. There will be people that liked the "last used item goes here" aspect, and others will hate it and never use it.
Like Elesarr was saying, LunarSphere opens a whole new world of opportunities for people to explore. With Serenity, people were stuck with the way the sphere was set up, and if they wanted to change it, they were out of luck. Same with Cryolysis, Necrosis, and more. We used what we were given (a coloring book) and were told to color in ONLY page 5 and to stay within the lines. I'm giving you a coloring book and telling you to do whatever you want with it. If you like the page you're on, use it. If you don't like that picture of an ocean and wish there was a boat on it, draw the boat too. I want people to be able to change the sphere any way they please, with as many of the tools I can give 'em.
Will all these tools be used? Heck no. Thankfully, lots of these changes and edits to the sphere require little memory usage, so I'm not bogging down the system with too much junk.
Thanks for helping with the question while I was sleeping Elesarr ;D I think you did a fine job. As you pointed out, and the referred to thread pointed out, I will be adding this function in the future, remind. It won't be a default option, and you will need to set it up on your menu button itself. When it's added, you'll have to go to the button settings menu and assign your left-middle-right click the action type "Last used submenu item" and they will update how you want.
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Elesarr
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Post by Elesarr on Jun 15, 2007 16:10:39 GMT -5
thnx Moongaze ;D
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